140. Why I'm Ending the Podcast
Here we are at 140 episodes of the Redefining Rest for Public Health Professionals podcast, and it’s the last one you’ll be hearing for a while. This podcast has been with me since the beginning of my business, and it’s truly been one of the highlights of my job. So, why am I ending the podcast?
After nearly three years of showing up every week to share my teachings with you, the plan right now is to go on a hiatus for all of 2024. I may stay true to this plan and come back in 2025, decide I want to return after six months or close up shop for good. I’m giving myself the space and freedom to allow for whatever feels like the best decision, not just for my benefit, but for everyone in public health.
Thank you all for joining me on this journey so far because I wouldn’t be here without you all. On this last episode before the podcast takes a break, hear why I’m deciding to pause the podcast in 2024, the three traps of big decision-making to look out for, and my answers to your questions about how you can continue to access my teachings and stay in touch.
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What You Will Discover:
Why I decided to start this podcast.
The 3 traps of big decision-making.
Why I’m deciding to pause the podcast for 2024.
How this decision benefits everyone in public health.
Why our brains try to talk us out of big decisions.
My answers to your questions about the podcast hiatus.
How to stay in touch with me while the podcast goes on a hiatus.
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Full Episode Transcript:
Hey you all, I’m Marissa McKool, and you’re listening to the Redefining Rest Podcast for Public Health Professionals. Here we believe rest is your right. You don’t have to earn it, you just have to learn how to take it and I’m going to teach you. Ready? Come along.
Hello, everyone. Welcome to the very last podcast episode. I’m going to be sharing why that is, answering the questions you all submitted about it. And sharing my process for making big decisions, the traps of big decision making that you want to be aware of and avoid when you have a big decision to make and all of that good stuff.
So I just want to briefly go back very, very briefly to how this podcast started, especially for those of you, I know there’s a lot of new folks here. When I was going through burnout in public health myself, when was this? Way back in 2017, I think maybe even a little before. I tried everything to get out of it, therapy, yoga, eating, healthy sleeping. If someone said it would work or there was an article that had 10 steps to end your burnout, I tried all of that, none of it really worked, not long term.
I might have felt a little relief or a little better in the moment, but nothing substantial or sustainable, I guess. Then I stumbled upon, well, I didn’t stumble upon, my roommate at the time recommended a podcast to me. And this podcast was teaching that your thoughts cause your feelings. And you all, I was mad. I was so mad. How could that be? It was definitely the terrible leadership and the lack of funding and the fact I was doing the job of what should have been three people.
And my sisters and my family and the fact I didn’t have a boyfriend and all these other things. And I wrestled with what I was learning on the podcast. But the more I listened, the more I put what I was learning into practice and the better I felt. And then I decided to hire a coach. And that’s truly when everything transformed. My life really looked so different after that period because I learned how to reduce my stress, get out of burnout and prevent it from happening again.
I learned how to prioritize rest and self-care without feeling guilty. I learned how to go after my goals unapologetically. I learned how to do the things that I wanted to do without people pleasing. I can’t tell you how many ways this really changed my life. And then, several years later, when COVID hit, I looked around and so many of my public health colleagues were struggling so much, even though we had similar challenges we were facing. And all I could think was, they don’t have the coaching tools I have. They don’t know what I know.
And I decided I wanted to help them, help all of you. And naturally, a podcast came to mind. That’s how I started learning. It’s accessible. It’s free to all of you to listen. It was something I felt I was able to do. I’m a big podcast listener. So I felt like I knew what to expect. And talking about these concepts and sharing them verbally, that’s one of my skill sets. I love teaching. I think I’m a really good facilitator and trainer. And I love when I get to do that and flesh things out that way and teach that way.
So I started recording and I started recording in my closet sweating so much because it was so stuffy in there. Probably re-recording every episode I made five times, editing it all myself. So a 30 minute episode would take six hours of me very poorly editing it. And I do remember back then just being so excited that anyone was listening, when I had five people who had listened. I was just flabbergasted. And now here we are 140 episodes later. We’ve done two podcast giveaways.
I have had a podcast production team for the past two years who have been doing the editing and the show notes and all that good stuff. They’re much better than I ever was. And this podcast has reached hundreds of listeners. According to Spotify Wrapped for 2023 alone, 76% of you listening, who listen on Spotify discovered this podcast this year. And it’s been streamed in 17 countries across the world, grown on Spotify by 103% in the last year alone. And it’s the top 10 podcast for 112 of you who listen on Spotify. And that’s just Spotify.
That doesn’t even include Apple, where the vast majority of those of you who are listening are listening on Apple, but they don’t have that cool Spotify Wrapped situation. My point being is this podcast has grown so much in the past several years. And it’s truly one of the best parts of my job. I can’t even express how much I look forward to recording and talking to all of you each week. I think of the things that I’m struggling with. I’m like, “This would be such a good example for the podcast.”
Or I’ll be excited about something going on in my life and I’m like, “I can’t wait to share it with them.” I have a whole running list of podcast ideas that I write down when they come to me, I still have it and I’m not getting rid of it, whether it’s I get off a coaching call with someone in my one-on-one program, I’m like, “Gosh, this would be such a good topic for a podcast.” Or something happens in my life, I’m like, “Oh my gosh, this would be such a good topic.”
Or I see someone post on LinkedIn or an article about something happening in public health and the burnout and stress. I’m like, “Oh my gosh, I need to make an episode to help people with this.” It is really one of the highlights of my business and my job. So why am I ending the podcast? And I want to be clear, the plan right now is to go on a hiatus and pause for all of 2024. So I know the title of this episode might feel a little bait and switchy. And I am really sorry about that.
I just really, really wanted to get your attention and make sure you all knew what was happening because I know how it is, I’m a podcast listener. There’s podcasts I love but I don’t listen to every single week. And so then I miss important information and then. I listen a month later, I’m like, “Wait, what happened, huh. Why didn’t I know about this?” And I did not want that to happen to you. There is nothing worse than feeling like a big change is not communicated.
So as I said, the plan is to take 2024 off from creating the podcast, putting out episodes, all of that stuff. And in truth, I’m really giving myself the next year to have the space to change my mind, based on how the year goes, how my business goes. I might stay true to the plan and come back in 2025. I might decide in six months, oh, my gosh, I really want to get back into it sooner and start sooner. I might bring it back as a different podcast. I might extend the pause. I might decide to close up shop for good.
I’m giving myself the space and the freedom to allow a different decision to be made if that’s the right decision or the best decision, I should say, for me and my business. But nevertheless, it doesn’t really answer the question of why am I making this decision now? So I want to share how I made it, especially as this decision doesn’t just impact me, it impacts other people and how you can use my process to help you make a big decision. And by process, I mean the things I was conscious of as I made the decision.
I would be lying if I said this decision wasn’t financial because a lot of it was, at least it was prompted by a financial reason. About summer time I was reviewing my business expenses and revenue and the podcast, reducing it is one of my, if not the biggest expense of my business. And for you all as listeners, it’s completely free to you, which matters so much to me when I was thinking about the decision, of course there is an option to do a paid subscription podcast. I didn’t want to do that.
If I’m putting out a podcast I want it to be free to you. And accessibility matters a lot to me and my business, especially to make coaching accessible at various price points, various levels, access, but the production of it does cost money. Another thing I looked at was a lot of people suggested, “Well, you could go back to producing it yourself or find someone else who doesn’t cost as much.” I didn’t want to go that route. I didn’t want to go back to doing it myself. Trust me, I was like, “I paid my dues there.”
Also, I love my podcast production team. I love it and I love the quality and I think actually what I’m paying I’m getting way, way, way more out of it. So shifting would actually be reducing the quality and reducing my satisfaction and I also didn’t want to do that. So this is all to say I was thinking about different things I could do based on this financial information. And I’ve been very, very fortunate that I have not had to pull a salary from my business the past couple of years as I’ve grown it because I had some money that my grandmother left me when she passed away.
And that has allowed me to use any money generated from the business to invest it back into the business, to fund this free podcast, to fund very low cost coaching resources like the courses I did this year. And all of those free or low cost coaching resources I have done intentionally because that matters a lot to me. And the fact that I don’t have to pull a salary or I haven’t has allowed me to fund those resources for all of you but things are shifting.
I’m moving into a stage where I will need to pull a salary from my business revenue very soon. And I’m making decisions not just with that in mind but with the long term sustainability of my business in mind. Because I haven’t even touched, grazed, passed by the surface of reaching everyone in public health who needs my help, who needs coaching, who needs to get out of burnout. There’s so much more impact, not only I want to make, but that needs to be made in the field. So many people in the field who need one-on-one coaching, who would benefit so much from my program.
So many of you listening could benefit so much from this. And my business needs to have the financial bones to make that happen, needs to have the foundation and the structure. Because while this podcast has served so many of you and done so much good, and I know so many of you have benefited so much. It is not the same as doing one-on-one work with a coach for six months or however long to eliminate your burnout.
And that’s the ultimate goal of my business, to help eliminate burnout in the field of public health by helping each and every one of you eliminate your burnout and learn how to prevent it from coming back for good. So that’s initially where the thought of either going on a hiatus or ending the podcast altogether came from, really thinking strategically about the finances. And with that financial piece, I also have my emotional piece. I really love this podcast. I love doing it. The accessibility is so important to me.
You all matter to me, you who tune in every single week. I know you’ll be losing this resource, from new episodes coming out. Those of you who just found this podcast and really need it, I know that this impacts you too. So I’ve thought about all of that. And as I was making my decision, which I’ll get into the process a little later, and when I finally made the decision to go on a hiatus, it shifted a lot for me. Now, looking back I can see it was necessary.
Making this decision and coming to that completion opened up the growth and evolution my business really needs at this time and that I need as the CEO. And there are changes happening, some of them you might have noticed, some that are coming down the pipeline. And all of these decisions not only benefit my business, but benefit you, the folks in public health who are stressed, burnt the fuck out and struggling.
This is allowing my business to free up time and financial resources to focus on collaborating with public health organizations on providing trainings or workshops or webinars and reaching more people. It opens up my one-on-one coaching program to more people to join, to offer it at a slightly lower cost. But I’d also be lying if I said this was an easy decision because it wasn’t. When any of us make a big decision, our brain freaks out, mine included, and this happens all the time.
I mean, just recently, just a week or two ago, me and Jared found out our landlord is going to raise our rent and we did not expect how much they were going to raise it. And we had a very short timeline to figure out what to do. My brain was freaking the fuck out. That’s a big decision. When you’re thinking about stepping down from a committee you lead or leaving your job when you’ve been there less than a year or you’ve been there for five/ten years or ending your volunteer role on a board or anything else, your brain freaks out. It’s very normal.
Your brain starts to worry about what will other people think. What will other people say? Am I being selfish? Am I burdening others? Will I burn bridges? Am I going to make the wrong decision? Will I regret it? So for me, this looked like worrying about all of you. What would you think? What would you say? Would you feel like I’m abandoning you? Would you feel like I just left you high and dry?
My brain told me I couldn’t pause the podcast or else I couldn’t say that accessibility to coaching was important to me. I was worried if my podcast producers would judge me or try to talk me out of it, of course they didn’t. My brain’s just dramatic. I was worried if in a year or six months I’d regret it and feel terrible. My brain told me that if I did go on pause, I’d be a failure. This is a big one. I can’t follow through. I’m a failure. It means it didn’t work. I did a terrible job. I didn’t try hard enough, all those things, and this is not surprising.
My brain did the same thing when I stepped down from leading a committee at my job at UC Berkeley, worrying no one else would step up to lead or the work couldn’t continue, or the members would think I wasn’t committed or be upset with me or the director would try to talk me out of it. And your brain does this too. It’s very normal, it’s our brains. But when this happens you have a choice. You can listen to your brain’s automatic freak out, fear or panic anxiety response or you can make a decision with a more centered, thoughtful, strategic, intentional approach.
And for me, one of the ways I did that was, of course, I got a lot of coaching on it and I coached myself. I worked not to believe my brain’s dramatic response, not to make this decision mean anything about me or my worth or my value. To make this decision from confidence, not fear. To make a decision in line with my goals and values and desires, which is ultimately what we all want to do when we make a decision but we get stuck.
So when I was making this decision, there were three traps that my brain tried to get me stuck in. And as I’ve been thinking about making this episode, I’ve noticed that these traps are very common. They came up recently when the landlord thing came up and we had to figure out what we’re going to do. And I was thinking about past committees I’d stepped down from and people I’ve coached who have also had to make a decision, am I leaving this job or staying or whatever it may be. And these are very common, that’s kind of a pattern.
So I want to share them all with you so you can be on the lookout next time you’re making a big decision to not fall in one of these traps and if you do, get out of it and not get stuck. So the three traps of big decision making are one, making it for other people, two, making it out of fear, and three, making it to either avoid the ‘wrong choice’ or make the ‘right choice’.
The first piece about making it for other people, we are socialized to people please, to put others first, to believe that doing for yourself is selfish. So we tend to focus our decisions on other people, on what they want or what they will think or what they will do. And we forget about ourselves completely. Now, this isn’t to say that you need to be like, “Fuck everyone else, I’m only going to think about me.” No. We want to be in community.
But the problem is right now, so many of you and hello, my brain too, wants to just be on the opposite end of the spectrum making a decision only thinking about others and not yourself at all. My brain, through making the decision to put this podcast on pause, wanted me to only think about all of you and not at all about my business finances or only think about my podcast producers and not about what I need. And when you make a decision solely for other people, you will end up resenting them or regretting your decision.
Number two, making your decision out of fear. When our fear brain is activated, it’s easy to feel like you have to make a decision right now, it feels urgent. This happened when I got a notification that my apartment rent was raising. This also happened when I looked at my finances for the podcast. It’s like my brain said, “Oh my God, urgent, alarm, alarm, do something right now. Respond right now.” If you don’t give yourself the space to be thoughtful or strategic, you don’t believe you have time to look at all the factors or all the options or be creative in your problem solving.
And when you make a big decision from that fear brain, you often overlook or miss the options available to you. You completely bypass what you actually want and your desire.
And number three, making the decision in order to make the ‘right choice’ or to avoid the ‘wrong choice’. I have coached countless of you in our one-on-one sessions about this. And that’s because we all do this, our brains do this. When you believe there’s a right or wrong choice, you always end up getting stuck in indecision.
I coached someone this week in our one-on-one session about this. When you are worried about making the ‘wrong choice’, worried about regretting it in the future, you actually don’t end up making a choice at all. You go round and round and round trying to find the answer, ping ponging in your head, making a pros and cons list, asking for everyone’s opinions. When you try to make a decision from a ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ framework, you will never feel confident about your decision, let alone most of you will struggle to even get to a point where you do make a decision.
When you notice you’re falling into one of those three traps, remind yourself there is no such thing as a perfect choice. It’s about making the best decision you can and knowing you always have the opportunity to make another choice or a different choice later. When you make a decision, it’s just based on the information you have, making the best choice you can in your situation, focusing on you, your wants, needs and desires and thinking intentionally, being strategic and thoughtful. It’s about accepting that no choice is truly permanent.
Yes, once you make a choice, circumstances can change, but you always have a choice. If Jared and I decide to move and we hate our new place, we can come back to our current apartment. Would rent maybe be more? Sure, but we still have that choice. If I end this podcast and decide in six months, I want to start it again, can I? Yeah. It might look different. Maybe my producers won’t have space for me. Maybe it will cost more, who knows? But I still have a choice. And that’s true with any ‘big choice’ you make.
If you step down from the committee and then a while later, you feel I really miss having something else in my life. You can look for something else to add in. If you leave a job and then don’t like your next job, you can look for another job. I even think calling these ‘big decisions’, which I have been doing this whole podcast, can put so much pressure on something and make it seem permanent when it’s not. All adult life is, is a series of decisions. The better you get at making decisions, the easier it gets.
The more efficient your life is, the less stressful, no matter how big or small the decision is. So I want you to keep all of that in mind the next time you have a decision to make. And for some of you, that’s as you’re listening to this. So to wrap up, I want to end by answering some of the questions you all submitted. I sent out a Google form on my email list and on LinkedIn for you all to put any questions you had. And I also put a link on my Instagram stories. So I got a few, I’m going to answer them before we wrap up.
The first one was, what do you think was the biggest impact of the podcast? And whoever submitted this, it was all anonymous, thank you for submitting. I’ve really been reflecting on this. I love this question. There have been impacts for all of you in the public health field, those who listen and then for me separately. And the best people to answer the impact of this podcast on the listeners is you all.
But I have heard from some of you and what I have heard is that this podcast has helped you feel not so alone in your struggles. To feel more empowered and confident at work to make better decisions, make decision making easier. And I think most importantly, from so many of you I’ve heard, is that you’ve realized that stress and burnout isn’t a requirement in public health. That your job or the funding or the boss or whatever else doesn’t have to change for you to feel better or you don’t have to quit to feel better.
And I think for me personally and as a business owner, this podcast has impacted me in countless ways, I could talk on and on and on about. Because this podcast has been with me since the beginning of starting my business, which prior to starting my business, zero, literally zero business experience. Let me tell you, when I was a Girl Scout, I avoided selling those cookies. In middle school, some of you my age will remember, we sold wrapping paper at Christmas and you got such cool prizes. And I was so jealous of all the prizes but I didn’t do shit to sell those things.
So I have zero business experience. So this podcast has grown with me as I’ve learned and grown my business. As I have changed, as the business changed so has the podcast and there’s been two big impacts. One is letting go of my perfectionism. You all, I used to record each episode five times, relisten, listen when episodes came out, criticized myself. And I finally got to a place where I was like, “This is such a waste of time. It’s okay if it’s not perfect, I’m going to get this C plus, B minus episode out. It’s better it’s out there and it’s helping someone.” That helped me so much.
And then the other thing was to really stop the comparison game. I could easily look at other public health podcasts and see, oh, my gosh, they have so many more listeners or so many more downloads or so many more followers and feel small, feel like what I was doing was insignificant. But once I stopped that shit, I was able to actually make more of an impact because I focused on all of you and what you needed and what I could provide. And it wasn’t about a numbers game or who’s done it best or any of that, really not important stuff.
It was about the quality, about what I was able to provide to you all. And I felt better doing this work and doing this podcast from that place than from comparing myself to everyone else.
The next question was, how did you make the decision to end it? And then a follow-up regarding your business. So I think I’ve touched on this a lot already, so I won’t go too in-depth, but I will share a little bit more about the actual how. So I first had the idea and then I sat with it just by myself for a little bit. And I set a timeline of when to decide by. I have learned that for me that is really helpful. And then I thought of potential options that I had. And then I talked to my partner and got his thoughts and he had ideas.
And then I posted in a coaching Facebook group I was in to ask anyone there if they had paused their podcast before and what it was like. The people who had paused their podcast, taken a break or even ended it, who commented, helped me so much, helped me understand the options, helped me understand what I wanted to do or didn’t want to do. It was so helpful.
Now, of course, there’s lots of people who had never had a podcast or had never paused their podcast or ended it, who put all their thoughts in the comments that were not useful. I just ignored those. And you can do the same when other people give their unsolicited opinions or opinions that aren’t really relevant, you don’t have to take it. And then I got a lot of coaching. I coached myself and I got coached by a coach friend of mine. And honestly, I ping ponged a lot. I had fear, I had worry just like we talked about. I have a human brain just like all of you.
That shit did happen for me, but I was able to come back to me, what I wanted, what my business needed, the future. And when I finally sent the Slack message to my producer to let her know, I felt so good afterwards, not because I won’t miss this or all of you, because I will. But because I made a decision not from fear or the right and wrong framework or for other people, because I made it confidently and strategically and thoughtfully. That included me, my desires, my needs, my business, my future, where I knew I wanted to go to achieve the goals that I want to achieve.
What’s next for you? My biggest focus in 2024 will be my one-on-one coaching program. I want to help as many people as possible get the in-depth support they need to feel better. And after having this podcast for nearly three years, running a year of short term courses, low cost courses, several years of free courses. The value and the necessity of one-on-one coaching is beyond, it’s so needed. Yes, the podcast can be so helpful. Yes, the courses can be so helpful.
This week actually as I’m recording this, we wrapped up the Not Your Average Productivity course. The feedback from some of the people on the course of what they’ve been able to change over five weeks has blown my fucking mind. So, yes, these free and lower cost coaching resources are useful, I’m not saying they’re not. But I will tell you and I actually got asked this because some of the folks in the course are thinking about joining the one-on-one coaching program, about the difference.
And what I have noticed is that the people who are able to eliminate their burnout and prevent it from coming back, who have the skills and tools and knowledge to do that are people who do the in-depth work, who come through my six month one-on-one coaching program. Because they build the habits, they make the changes with support and with guidance to a point where they can then do it almost on autopilot. It’s easier for them, it’s just part of their norm.
And my ultimate goal as a business is to eliminate burnout in public health. And I know one-on-one coaching, even though it’s longer term, even if it’s more of a commitment, it’s more effective. You get to your goals faster. It’s more fun and enjoyable because you have someone helping you with it. So those of you listening who are like, “I might need this”, you can come and sign up for a consult. If you sign up before January 5th, you get $500 off the cost of coaching. We’ll leave a link in the show notes. So that’s one area I’m focusing on a lot more.
I’ll also be focusing a lot more on LinkedIn. I won’t be on Instagram as much. I’ll be sharing my teachings there as well as partnering with public health organizations to bring webinars and trainings to their staff. I already have several lined up for next year. So if you want to bring me to your job organization, please send me an email or DM, let’s make that happen. And yeah, those are the main things. I’m sure other stuff will come up if you’re on an email list, which you should be if you’re not.
Go to the show notes, you can join, you’ll get all the deets throughout the year of any new things I offer and put out there, all that stuff.
Okay, the last question. If I’ve been a regular listener, what should I do now? I love this question. Thank you for asking. There’s several options. Of course, if you’re a podcast listener, and I am too, so I get it. You’re going to want something in your ear to replace this podcast as you’re on your walk or doing your laundry or whatever it is. There’s so many great podcasts out there. So I encourage you to try to check out other self-help podcasts, try them out and see which ones fit. But also my podcast episodes aren’t going anywhere.
You can continue to listen to past episodes that maybe you missed or relisten to past episodes. Sarah Hahn, who I had on, one of my clients, I don’t know, a couple of months ago at this point, talked about in the episode how any time she has an issue she can scroll through the podcast and find an episode that will help her even if she’s already listened to it. And that’s the ultimate goal of the catalog of episodes. So even if you’ve already listened to it, if you are struggling making a decision, I have so many episodes for that, just search and you’ll find it.
Now, if you want to continue to have access to my teachings, I want you to do two things. Number one, connect with me on LinkedIn. As I said in 2024, I’ll be on LinkedIn so much more and that will be my main social media. So search for me there, Marissa McKool. Number two, join my email list. This is the best way to get notified when one-on-one coaching slots open up. By the way, they’re open for all of you podcast listeners right now, or any other resources. And I send a weekly email every Monday, giving you a tip or a teaching or a resource or support to help you start the week. So link in show notes to join the email list.
And lastly, if you want coaching support, if you truly want to eliminate your burnout, if you really want to find career fulfillment or stop overworking, join my one-on-one coaching program. If you are listening before January 5th, there is still time to schedule a consult and get $500 off the cost of coaching. So go to the link in my show notes, the consult’s completely free. Sign up for a session, you and I will chat about what you want to be different, your goals, what you’re struggling with, and how I can help you.
Now, before we wrap up I have a few thank yous I want to say. First, thank you so, so, so much to my amazing podcast production team, Angela, Megan, Devon, and Jack and anyone else from Digital Freedom Productions who have ever worked on or supported this podcast. You truly don’t know how much I value your skills and your expertise and your support. This show and the impact it’s had has been because of you and I will really miss working with all of you and Slack messaging you and I’m really going to miss that. I’m going to miss all of you so much, and hopefully I’ll see you at a coaching event or something, in the next year, we can connect.
And then the last thank you is to all of you listening. All of you who have listened every single week, my OG listeners, all of you who are new listeners who have just found the podcast, all of you who have shared the show by texting it to a friend or a colleague or given it to your team. Those of you who have left a rating and review on Apple, which by the way, you can still do. It still helps the show so more people can find it.
Having all of you on this journey with me has meant so much, has been truly amazing. This podcast wouldn’t have even gotten to almost three years without all of you, truly. And I’m so proud of you. It seems easy to listen to a self-help podcast each week, but it’s not. You make a decision every time you go on a walk or do your laundry or do the dishes or go work out, to hit play on a podcast that’s going to help you. And if it was easy, everyone would do it. Not everyone does it. That’s why so many people are struggling with us.
You decided you’re going to make changes and take time out to help yourself and that is huge and I’m so proud of you. And I am so, so excited to work with those of you who have decided to join my coaching program, my one-on-one coaching program this year. To finally go deep, eliminate your burnout, truly feel better, achieve your career fulfillment and purpose and goals, and create the life you want. I am so excited for all of you. And for those of you who haven’t joined my one-on-one coaching program but want to, are curious about it, want to learn more, there’s still time. Go to the show notes, sign up for a consult.
So with that, I won’t see you next week. Hopefully I’ll see you in your inbox for my weekly emails or on LinkedIn or maybe at your public health organization. And hopefully, each week in my one-on-one coaching program to help you change your life. So with that, I love you all. Thanks for listening. I appreciate your support. Bye everyone.
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Hello, everyone. Welcome to the very last podcast episode. I’m going to be sharing why that is, answering the questions you all submitted about it. And sharing my process for making big decisions, the traps of big decision making that you want to be aware of and avoid when you have a big decision to make and all of that good stuff.
So I just want to briefly go back very, very briefly to how this podcast started, especially for those of you, I know there’s a lot of new folks here. When I was going through burnout in public health myself, when was this? Way back in 2017, I think maybe even a little before. I tried everything to get out of it, therapy, yoga, eating, healthy sleeping. If someone said it would work or there was an article that had 10 steps to end your burnout, I tried all of that, none of it really worked, not long term.
I might have felt a little relief or a little better in the moment, but nothing substantial or sustainable, I guess. Then I stumbled upon, well, I didn’t stumble upon, my roommate at the time recommended a podcast to me. And this podcast was teaching that your thoughts cause your feelings. And you all, I was mad. I was so mad. How could that be? It was definitely the terrible leadership and the lack of funding and the fact I was doing the job of what should have been three people.
And my sisters and my family and the fact I didn’t have a boyfriend and all these other things. And I wrestled with what I was learning on the podcast. But the more I listened, the more I put what I was learning into practice and the better I felt. And then I decided to hire a coach. And that’s truly when everything transformed. My life really looked so different after that period because I learned how to reduce my stress, get out of burnout and prevent it from happening again.
I learned how to prioritize rest and self-care without feeling guilty. I learned how to go after my goals unapologetically. I learned how to do the things that I wanted to do without people pleasing. I can’t tell you how many ways this really changed my life. And then, several years later, when COVID hit, I looked around and so many of my public health colleagues were struggling so much, even though we had similar challenges we were facing. And all I could think was, they don’t have the coaching tools I have. They don’t know what I know.
And I decided I wanted to help them, help all of you. And naturally, a podcast came to mind. That’s how I started learning. It’s accessible. It’s free to all of you to listen. It was something I felt I was able to do. I’m a big podcast listener. So I felt like I knew what to expect. And talking about these concepts and sharing them verbally, that’s one of my skill sets. I love teaching. I think I’m a really good facilitator and trainer. And I love when I get to do that and flesh things out that way and teach that way.
So I started recording and I started recording in my closet sweating so much because it was so stuffy in there. Probably re-recording every episode I made five times, editing it all myself. So a 30 minute episode would take six hours of me very poorly editing it. And I do remember back then just being so excited that anyone was listening, when I had five people who had listened. I was just flabbergasted. And now here we are 140 episodes later. We’ve done two podcast giveaways.
I have had a podcast production team for the past two years who have been doing the editing and the show notes and all that good stuff. They’re much better than I ever was. And this podcast has reached hundreds of listeners. According to Spotify Wrapped for 2023 alone, 76% of you listening, who listen on Spotify discovered this podcast this year. And it’s been streamed in 17 countries across the world, grown on Spotify by 103% in the last year alone. And it’s the top 10 podcast for 112 of you who listen on Spotify. And that’s just Spotify.
That doesn’t even include Apple, where the vast majority of those of you who are listening are listening on Apple, but they don’t have that cool Spotify Wrapped situation. My point being is this podcast has grown so much in the past several years. And it’s truly one of the best parts of my job. I can’t even express how much I look forward to recording and talking to all of you each week. I think of the things that I’m struggling with. I’m like, “This would be such a good example for the podcast.”
Or I’ll be excited about something going on in my life and I’m like, “I can’t wait to share it with them.” I have a whole running list of podcast ideas that I write down when they come to me, I still have it and I’m not getting rid of it, whether it’s I get off a coaching call with someone in my one-on-one program, I’m like, “Gosh, this would be such a good topic for a podcast.” Or something happens in my life, I’m like, “Oh my gosh, this would be such a good topic.”
Or I see someone post on LinkedIn or an article about something happening in public health and the burnout and stress. I’m like, “Oh my gosh, I need to make an episode to help people with this.” It is really one of the highlights of my business and my job. So why am I ending the podcast? And I want to be clear, the plan right now is to go on a hiatus and pause for all of 2024. So I know the title of this episode might feel a little bait and switchy. And I am really sorry about that.
I just really, really wanted to get your attention and make sure you all knew what was happening because I know how it is, I’m a podcast listener. There’s podcasts I love but I don’t listen to every single week. And so then I miss important information and then. I listen a month later, I’m like, “Wait, what happened, huh. Why didn’t I know about this?” And I did not want that to happen to you. There is nothing worse than feeling like a big change is not communicated.
So as I said, the plan is to take 2024 off from creating the podcast, putting out episodes, all of that stuff. And in truth, I’m really giving myself the next year to have the space to change my mind, based on how the year goes, how my business goes. I might stay true to the plan and come back in 2025. I might decide in six months, oh, my gosh, I really want to get back into it sooner and start sooner. I might bring it back as a different podcast. I might extend the pause. I might decide to close up shop for good.
I’m giving myself the space and the freedom to allow a different decision to be made if that’s the right decision or the best decision, I should say, for me and my business. But nevertheless, it doesn’t really answer the question of why am I making this decision now? So I want to share how I made it, especially as this decision doesn’t just impact me, it impacts other people and how you can use my process to help you make a big decision. And by process, I mean the things I was conscious of as I made the decision.
I would be lying if I said this decision wasn’t financial because a lot of it was, at least it was prompted by a financial reason. About summer time I was reviewing my business expenses and revenue and the podcast, reducing it is one of my, if not the biggest expense of my business. And for you all as listeners, it’s completely free to you, which matters so much to me when I was thinking about the decision, of course there is an option to do a paid subscription podcast. I didn’t want to do that.
If I’m putting out a podcast I want it to be free to you. And accessibility matters a lot to me and my business, especially to make coaching accessible at various price points, various levels, access, but the production of it does cost money. Another thing I looked at was a lot of people suggested, “Well, you could go back to producing it yourself or find someone else who doesn’t cost as much.” I didn’t want to go that route. I didn’t want to go back to doing it myself. Trust me, I was like, “I paid my dues there.”
Also, I love my podcast production team. I love it and I love the quality and I think actually what I’m paying I’m getting way, way, way more out of it. So shifting would actually be reducing the quality and reducing my satisfaction and I also didn’t want to do that. So this is all to say I was thinking about different things I could do based on this financial information. And I’ve been very, very fortunate that I have not had to pull a salary from my business the past couple of years as I’ve grown it because I had some money that my grandmother left me when she passed away.
And that has allowed me to use any money generated from the business to invest it back into the business, to fund this free podcast, to fund very low cost coaching resources like the courses I did this year. And all of those free or low cost coaching resources I have done intentionally because that matters a lot to me. And the fact that I don’t have to pull a salary or I haven’t has allowed me to fund those resources for all of you but things are shifting.
I’m moving into a stage where I will need to pull a salary from my business revenue very soon. And I’m making decisions not just with that in mind but with the long term sustainability of my business in mind. Because I haven’t even touched, grazed, passed by the surface of reaching everyone in public health who needs my help, who needs coaching, who needs to get out of burnout. There’s so much more impact, not only I want to make, but that needs to be made in the field. So many people in the field who need one-on-one coaching, who would benefit so much from my program.
So many of you listening could benefit so much from this. And my business needs to have the financial bones to make that happen, needs to have the foundation and the structure. Because while this podcast has served so many of you and done so much good, and I know so many of you have benefited so much. It is not the same as doing one-on-one work with a coach for six months or however long to eliminate your burnout.
And that’s the ultimate goal of my business, to help eliminate burnout in the field of public health by helping each and every one of you eliminate your burnout and learn how to prevent it from coming back for good. So that’s initially where the thought of either going on a hiatus or ending the podcast altogether came from, really thinking strategically about the finances. And with that financial piece, I also have my emotional piece. I really love this podcast. I love doing it. The accessibility is so important to me.
You all matter to me, you who tune in every single week. I know you’ll be losing this resource, from new episodes coming out. Those of you who just found this podcast and really need it, I know that this impacts you too. So I’ve thought about all of that. And as I was making my decision, which I’ll get into the process a little later, and when I finally made the decision to go on a hiatus, it shifted a lot for me. Now, looking back I can see it was necessary.
Making this decision and coming to that completion opened up the growth and evolution my business really needs at this time and that I need as the CEO. And there are changes happening, some of them you might have noticed, some that are coming down the pipeline. And all of these decisions not only benefit my business, but benefit you, the folks in public health who are stressed, burnt the fuck out and struggling.
This is allowing my business to free up time and financial resources to focus on collaborating with public health organizations on providing trainings or workshops or webinars and reaching more people. It opens up my one-on-one coaching program to more people to join, to offer it at a slightly lower cost. But I’d also be lying if I said this was an easy decision because it wasn’t. When any of us make a big decision, our brain freaks out, mine included, and this happens all the time.
I mean, just recently, just a week or two ago, me and Jared found out our landlord is going to raise our rent and we did not expect how much they were going to raise it. And we had a very short timeline to figure out what to do. My brain was freaking the fuck out. That’s a big decision. When you’re thinking about stepping down from a committee you lead or leaving your job when you’ve been there less than a year or you’ve been there for five/ten years or ending your volunteer role on a board or anything else, your brain freaks out. It’s very normal.
Your brain starts to worry about what will other people think. What will other people say? Am I being selfish? Am I burdening others? Will I burn bridges? Am I going to make the wrong decision? Will I regret it? So for me, this looked like worrying about all of you. What would you think? What would you say? Would you feel like I’m abandoning you? Would you feel like I just left you high and dry?
My brain told me I couldn’t pause the podcast or else I couldn’t say that accessibility to coaching was important to me. I was worried if my podcast producers would judge me or try to talk me out of it, of course they didn’t. My brain’s just dramatic. I was worried if in a year or six months I’d regret it and feel terrible. My brain told me that if I did go on pause, I’d be a failure. This is a big one. I can’t follow through. I’m a failure. It means it didn’t work. I did a terrible job. I didn’t try hard enough, all those things, and this is not surprising.
My brain did the same thing when I stepped down from leading a committee at my job at UC Berkeley, worrying no one else would step up to lead or the work couldn’t continue, or the members would think I wasn’t committed or be upset with me or the director would try to talk me out of it. And your brain does this too. It’s very normal, it’s our brains. But when this happens you have a choice. You can listen to your brain’s automatic freak out, fear or panic anxiety response or you can make a decision with a more centered, thoughtful, strategic, intentional approach.
And for me, one of the ways I did that was, of course, I got a lot of coaching on it and I coached myself. I worked not to believe my brain’s dramatic response, not to make this decision mean anything about me or my worth or my value. To make this decision from confidence, not fear. To make a decision in line with my goals and values and desires, which is ultimately what we all want to do when we make a decision but we get stuck.
So when I was making this decision, there were three traps that my brain tried to get me stuck in. And as I’ve been thinking about making this episode, I’ve noticed that these traps are very common. They came up recently when the landlord thing came up and we had to figure out what we’re going to do. And I was thinking about past committees I’d stepped down from and people I’ve coached who have also had to make a decision, am I leaving this job or staying or whatever it may be. And these are very common, that’s kind of a pattern.
So I want to share them all with you so you can be on the lookout next time you’re making a big decision to not fall in one of these traps and if you do, get out of it and not get stuck. So the three traps of big decision making are one, making it for other people, two, making it out of fear, and three, making it to either avoid the ‘wrong choice’ or make the ‘right choice’.
The first piece about making it for other people, we are socialized to people please, to put others first, to believe that doing for yourself is selfish. So we tend to focus our decisions on other people, on what they want or what they will think or what they will do. And we forget about ourselves completely. Now, this isn’t to say that you need to be like, “Fuck everyone else, I’m only going to think about me.” No. We want to be in community.
But the problem is right now, so many of you and hello, my brain too, wants to just be on the opposite end of the spectrum making a decision only thinking about others and not yourself at all. My brain, through making the decision to put this podcast on pause, wanted me to only think about all of you and not at all about my business finances or only think about my podcast producers and not about what I need. And when you make a decision solely for other people, you will end up resenting them or regretting your decision.
Number two, making your decision out of fear. When our fear brain is activated, it’s easy to feel like you have to make a decision right now, it feels urgent. This happened when I got a notification that my apartment rent was raising. This also happened when I looked at my finances for the podcast. It’s like my brain said, “Oh my God, urgent, alarm, alarm, do something right now. Respond right now.” If you don’t give yourself the space to be thoughtful or strategic, you don’t believe you have time to look at all the factors or all the options or be creative in your problem solving.
And when you make a big decision from that fear brain, you often overlook or miss the options available to you. You completely bypass what you actually want and your desire.
And number three, making the decision in order to make the ‘right choice’ or to avoid the ‘wrong choice’. I have coached countless of you in our one-on-one sessions about this. And that’s because we all do this, our brains do this. When you believe there’s a right or wrong choice, you always end up getting stuck in indecision.
I coached someone this week in our one-on-one session about this. When you are worried about making the ‘wrong choice’, worried about regretting it in the future, you actually don’t end up making a choice at all. You go round and round and round trying to find the answer, ping ponging in your head, making a pros and cons list, asking for everyone’s opinions. When you try to make a decision from a ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ framework, you will never feel confident about your decision, let alone most of you will struggle to even get to a point where you do make a decision.
When you notice you’re falling into one of those three traps, remind yourself there is no such thing as a perfect choice. It’s about making the best decision you can and knowing you always have the opportunity to make another choice or a different choice later. When you make a decision, it’s just based on the information you have, making the best choice you can in your situation, focusing on you, your wants, needs and desires and thinking intentionally, being strategic and thoughtful. It’s about accepting that no choice is truly permanent.
Yes, once you make a choice, circumstances can change, but you always have a choice. If Jared and I decide to move and we hate our new place, we can come back to our current apartment. Would rent maybe be more? Sure, but we still have that choice. If I end this podcast and decide in six months, I want to start it again, can I? Yeah. It might look different. Maybe my producers won’t have space for me. Maybe it will cost more, who knows? But I still have a choice. And that’s true with any ‘big choice’ you make.
If you step down from the committee and then a while later, you feel I really miss having something else in my life. You can look for something else to add in. If you leave a job and then don’t like your next job, you can look for another job. I even think calling these ‘big decisions’, which I have been doing this whole podcast, can put so much pressure on something and make it seem permanent when it’s not. All adult life is, is a series of decisions. The better you get at making decisions, the easier it gets.
The more efficient your life is, the less stressful, no matter how big or small the decision is. So I want you to keep all of that in mind the next time you have a decision to make. And for some of you, that’s as you’re listening to this. So to wrap up, I want to end by answering some of the questions you all submitted. I sent out a Google form on my email list and on LinkedIn for you all to put any questions you had. And I also put a link on my Instagram stories. So I got a few, I’m going to answer them before we wrap up.
The first one was, what do you think was the biggest impact of the podcast? And whoever submitted this, it was all anonymous, thank you for submitting. I’ve really been reflecting on this. I love this question. There have been impacts for all of you in the public health field, those who listen and then for me separately. And the best people to answer the impact of this podcast on the listeners is you all.
But I have heard from some of you and what I have heard is that this podcast has helped you feel not so alone in your struggles. To feel more empowered and confident at work to make better decisions, make decision making easier. And I think most importantly, from so many of you I’ve heard, is that you’ve realized that stress and burnout isn’t a requirement in public health. That your job or the funding or the boss or whatever else doesn’t have to change for you to feel better or you don’t have to quit to feel better.
And I think for me personally and as a business owner, this podcast has impacted me in countless ways, I could talk on and on and on about. Because this podcast has been with me since the beginning of starting my business, which prior to starting my business, zero, literally zero business experience. Let me tell you, when I was a Girl Scout, I avoided selling those cookies. In middle school, some of you my age will remember, we sold wrapping paper at Christmas and you got such cool prizes. And I was so jealous of all the prizes but I didn’t do shit to sell those things.
So I have zero business experience. So this podcast has grown with me as I’ve learned and grown my business. As I have changed, as the business changed so has the podcast and there’s been two big impacts. One is letting go of my perfectionism. You all, I used to record each episode five times, relisten, listen when episodes came out, criticized myself. And I finally got to a place where I was like, “This is such a waste of time. It’s okay if it’s not perfect, I’m going to get this C plus, B minus episode out. It’s better it’s out there and it’s helping someone.” That helped me so much.
And then the other thing was to really stop the comparison game. I could easily look at other public health podcasts and see, oh, my gosh, they have so many more listeners or so many more downloads or so many more followers and feel small, feel like what I was doing was insignificant. But once I stopped that shit, I was able to actually make more of an impact because I focused on all of you and what you needed and what I could provide. And it wasn’t about a numbers game or who’s done it best or any of that, really not important stuff.
It was about the quality, about what I was able to provide to you all. And I felt better doing this work and doing this podcast from that place than from comparing myself to everyone else.
The next question was, how did you make the decision to end it? And then a follow-up regarding your business. So I think I’ve touched on this a lot already, so I won’t go too in-depth, but I will share a little bit more about the actual how. So I first had the idea and then I sat with it just by myself for a little bit. And I set a timeline of when to decide by. I have learned that for me that is really helpful. And then I thought of potential options that I had. And then I talked to my partner and got his thoughts and he had ideas.
And then I posted in a coaching Facebook group I was in to ask anyone there if they had paused their podcast before and what it was like. The people who had paused their podcast, taken a break or even ended it, who commented, helped me so much, helped me understand the options, helped me understand what I wanted to do or didn’t want to do. It was so helpful.
Now, of course, there’s lots of people who had never had a podcast or had never paused their podcast or ended it, who put all their thoughts in the comments that were not useful. I just ignored those. And you can do the same when other people give their unsolicited opinions or opinions that aren’t really relevant, you don’t have to take it. And then I got a lot of coaching. I coached myself and I got coached by a coach friend of mine. And honestly, I ping ponged a lot. I had fear, I had worry just like we talked about. I have a human brain just like all of you.
That shit did happen for me, but I was able to come back to me, what I wanted, what my business needed, the future. And when I finally sent the Slack message to my producer to let her know, I felt so good afterwards, not because I won’t miss this or all of you, because I will. But because I made a decision not from fear or the right and wrong framework or for other people, because I made it confidently and strategically and thoughtfully. That included me, my desires, my needs, my business, my future, where I knew I wanted to go to achieve the goals that I want to achieve.
What’s next for you? My biggest focus in 2024 will be my one-on-one coaching program. I want to help as many people as possible get the in-depth support they need to feel better. And after having this podcast for nearly three years, running a year of short term courses, low cost courses, several years of free courses. The value and the necessity of one-on-one coaching is beyond, it’s so needed. Yes, the podcast can be so helpful. Yes, the courses can be so helpful.
This week actually as I’m recording this, we wrapped up the Not Your Average Productivity course. The feedback from some of the people on the course of what they’ve been able to change over five weeks has blown my fucking mind. So, yes, these free and lower cost coaching resources are useful, I’m not saying they’re not. But I will tell you and I actually got asked this because some of the folks in the course are thinking about joining the one-on-one coaching program, about the difference.
And what I have noticed is that the people who are able to eliminate their burnout and prevent it from coming back, who have the skills and tools and knowledge to do that are people who do the in-depth work, who come through my six month one-on-one coaching program. Because they build the habits, they make the changes with support and with guidance to a point where they can then do it almost on autopilot. It’s easier for them, it’s just part of their norm.
And my ultimate goal as a business is to eliminate burnout in public health. And I know one-on-one coaching, even though it’s longer term, even if it’s more of a commitment, it’s more effective. You get to your goals faster. It’s more fun and enjoyable because you have someone helping you with it. So those of you listening who are like, “I might need this”, you can come and sign up for a consult. If you sign up before January 5th, you get $500 off the cost of coaching. We’ll leave a link in the show notes. So that’s one area I’m focusing on a lot more.
I’ll also be focusing a lot more on LinkedIn. I won’t be on Instagram as much. I’ll be sharing my teachings there as well as partnering with public health organizations to bring webinars and trainings to their staff. I already have several lined up for next year. So if you want to bring me to your job organization, please send me an email or DM, let’s make that happen. And yeah, those are the main things. I’m sure other stuff will come up if you’re on an email list, which you should be if you’re not.
Go to the show notes, you can join, you’ll get all the deets throughout the year of any new things I offer and put out there, all that stuff.
Okay, the last question. If I’ve been a regular listener, what should I do now? I love this question. Thank you for asking. There’s several options. Of course, if you’re a podcast listener, and I am too, so I get it. You’re going to want something in your ear to replace this podcast as you’re on your walk or doing your laundry or whatever it is. There’s so many great podcasts out there. So I encourage you to try to check out other self-help podcasts, try them out and see which ones fit. But also my podcast episodes aren’t going anywhere.
You can continue to listen to past episodes that maybe you missed or relisten to past episodes. Sarah Hahn, who I had on, one of my clients, I don’t know, a couple of months ago at this point, talked about in the episode how any time she has an issue she can scroll through the podcast and find an episode that will help her even if she’s already listened to it. And that’s the ultimate goal of the catalog of episodes. So even if you’ve already listened to it, if you are struggling making a decision, I have so many episodes for that, just search and you’ll find it.
Now, if you want to continue to have access to my teachings, I want you to do two things. Number one, connect with me on LinkedIn. As I said in 2024, I’ll be on LinkedIn so much more and that will be my main social media. So search for me there, Marissa McKool. Number two, join my email list. This is the best way to get notified when one-on-one coaching slots open up. By the way, they’re open for all of you podcast listeners right now, or any other resources. And I send a weekly email every Monday, giving you a tip or a teaching or a resource or support to help you start the week. So link in show notes to join the email list.
And lastly, if you want coaching support, if you truly want to eliminate your burnout, if you really want to find career fulfillment or stop overworking, join my one-on-one coaching program. If you are listening before January 5th, there is still time to schedule a consult and get $500 off the cost of coaching. So go to the link in my show notes, the consult’s completely free. Sign up for a session, you and I will chat about what you want to be different, your goals, what you’re struggling with, and how I can help you.
Now, before we wrap up I have a few thank yous I want to say. First, thank you so, so, so much to my amazing podcast production team, Angela, Megan, Devon, and Jack and anyone else from Digital Freedom Productions who have ever worked on or supported this podcast. You truly don’t know how much I value your skills and your expertise and your support. This show and the impact it’s had has been because of you and I will really miss working with all of you and Slack messaging you and I’m really going to miss that. I’m going to miss all of you so much, and hopefully I’ll see you at a coaching event or something, in the next year, we can connect.
And then the last thank you is to all of you listening. All of you who have listened every single week, my OG listeners, all of you who are new listeners who have just found the podcast, all of you who have shared the show by texting it to a friend or a colleague or given it to your team. Those of you who have left a rating and review on Apple, which by the way, you can still do. It still helps the show so more people can find it.
Having all of you on this journey with me has meant so much, has been truly amazing. This podcast wouldn’t have even gotten to almost three years without all of you, truly. And I’m so proud of you. It seems easy to listen to a self-help podcast each week, but it’s not. You make a decision every time you go on a walk or do your laundry or do the dishes or go work out, to hit play on a podcast that’s going to help you. And if it was easy, everyone would do it. Not everyone does it. That’s why so many people are struggling with us.
You decided you’re going to make changes and take time out to help yourself and that is huge and I’m so proud of you. And I am so, so excited to work with those of you who have decided to join my coaching program, my one-on-one coaching program this year. To finally go deep, eliminate your burnout, truly feel better, achieve your career fulfillment and purpose and goals, and create the life you want. I am so excited for all of you. And for those of you who haven’t joined my one-on-one coaching program but want to, are curious about it, want to learn more, there’s still time. Go to the show notes, sign up for a consult.
So with that, I won’t see you next week. Hopefully I’ll see you in your inbox for my weekly emails or on LinkedIn or maybe at your public health organization. And hopefully, each week in my one-on-one coaching program to help you change your life. So with that, I love you all. Thanks for listening. I appreciate your support. Bye everyone.
If you found this episode helpful then you have to check out my coaching program where I provide you individualized support to create a life centered around rest. Head on over to mckoolcoaching.com, that’s M-C-K-O-O-L coaching.com to learn more.
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